Well we can't sell our place because the water issue alone makes it tough and devalues our home anyways. We are losing money just sitting here and doing nothing. Lets pay the very expensive price and get this job done already, stop being such a tight wad. I tell all new prospect buyers that I see on Sundays and let them know of the water situation and that really tends to turn them off. I wish someone would have told me about the water problems.
5:33 PM
Tuesday, July 17, 2007
Water Situation & History
First, this is to the previous comment writer. I am NOT personally upset with the water situation in my unit. Why?? Because in 03 I had individual shut-off valves installed on my hot and cold water supply lines to my shower. That way, when I want hot water, I get it!! It doesn't matter if my water is too hot or too cold (it's been both) because I can adjust it at these valves. It cost a lot of money, but it was well worth it. It's called being PROACTIVE. I'm just trying to use what I know to help my neighbors, including you (believe it or not).
Second of all, to address the big picture, here's some thoughts. The three primary reasons the water is the way it is: first, so many people have modified their plumbing systems (addidng or moving sinks, installing washers and dryers, etc.) that the current plumbing system bears little resemblance to the original, making the hot and cold sides of the system incredibly difficult to balance. Second, there are still many hard-heads who own units here who refuse to change their shower valves or otherwise maintain their plumbing fixtures. Third, the original cause of the problem occurred in 2002 when the City of Fullerton mandated the installation of a Backflow preventer system. That's why when residents called the Health Department, the Health department didn't do anything. The knew full well what the root cause of the problem was.
After a couple of years of getting estimates and listening to suggestions from contractors, the "previous board" arrived at the following conclusions. Replacing the pipes under the buildings is like putting a $300,000 band-aid on a heart attack. All that will do is stop the slab leaks. And unless someone has a better idea, the long-term solution looks to be blocking off all the common piping and running a single cold water main to each unit with a hot water heater, making each owner responsible for their own water situation.
There are many issues with this: running the main under the slab or on the roof, putting the water heaters in each unit or putting them on the roof also. There's also the issue of financing this, which will be very, (did I say very) very expensive. I won't even mention the political issues.
The bottom line is in the short run, Pro-Serv needs to go, and in the long run, the systemic problem has to be addressed. Failure to do so will result in these units becoming more and more difficult to sell. And, sooner or later, we will all want to sell. It's just our bad luck to be owners during this "crisis".
Like I said, if anyone has a better idea or ideas, this seems to be a good place to let them be known. I'm in no rush to solve this problem today. Whether it's Rene or myself or whoever on the board, there very well may be a simple answer to the issue that we all are missing, and it may just require a little patience to find it.
Todd in 122
Second of all, to address the big picture, here's some thoughts. The three primary reasons the water is the way it is: first, so many people have modified their plumbing systems (addidng or moving sinks, installing washers and dryers, etc.) that the current plumbing system bears little resemblance to the original, making the hot and cold sides of the system incredibly difficult to balance. Second, there are still many hard-heads who own units here who refuse to change their shower valves or otherwise maintain their plumbing fixtures. Third, the original cause of the problem occurred in 2002 when the City of Fullerton mandated the installation of a Backflow preventer system. That's why when residents called the Health Department, the Health department didn't do anything. The knew full well what the root cause of the problem was.
After a couple of years of getting estimates and listening to suggestions from contractors, the "previous board" arrived at the following conclusions. Replacing the pipes under the buildings is like putting a $300,000 band-aid on a heart attack. All that will do is stop the slab leaks. And unless someone has a better idea, the long-term solution looks to be blocking off all the common piping and running a single cold water main to each unit with a hot water heater, making each owner responsible for their own water situation.
There are many issues with this: running the main under the slab or on the roof, putting the water heaters in each unit or putting them on the roof also. There's also the issue of financing this, which will be very, (did I say very) very expensive. I won't even mention the political issues.
The bottom line is in the short run, Pro-Serv needs to go, and in the long run, the systemic problem has to be addressed. Failure to do so will result in these units becoming more and more difficult to sell. And, sooner or later, we will all want to sell. It's just our bad luck to be owners during this "crisis".
Like I said, if anyone has a better idea or ideas, this seems to be a good place to let them be known. I'm in no rush to solve this problem today. Whether it's Rene or myself or whoever on the board, there very well may be a simple answer to the issue that we all are missing, and it may just require a little patience to find it.
Todd in 122
Tuesday, July 10, 2007
Water Problems
Anonymous said...
Water problems, anyone ??
I was just wondering if anyone was having the same strange problem I have. I live in the 3020 building and ever since those Pro-Serv guys dug that huge hole in between 96 and 105 last month, I get hot water from the kitchen faucet but almost nothing from the batroom vanity or shower. This is the opposite from what it was before. Did they criss-cross pipes or something ?? I liked it better before.
Also, a guy from the management company said I was the only one who called in a problem, but I don't believe it. I saw the guy from Pro-serv running around yesterday, but I couldn't catch him to check my water before he left.
9:40 AM
Water problems, anyone ??
I was just wondering if anyone was having the same strange problem I have. I live in the 3020 building and ever since those Pro-Serv guys dug that huge hole in between 96 and 105 last month, I get hot water from the kitchen faucet but almost nothing from the batroom vanity or shower. This is the opposite from what it was before. Did they criss-cross pipes or something ?? I liked it better before.
Also, a guy from the management company said I was the only one who called in a problem, but I don't believe it. I saw the guy from Pro-serv running around yesterday, but I couldn't catch him to check my water before he left.
9:40 AM
Saturday, July 07, 2007
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